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I´m a bit courious about laws, e.g. the USA, but also in other countries.

In Austria and all other countries of the EU there are laws for
wearing a helmet: bikers have to wear always a helmet by law and it will be enforced. If you don´t, the police stops you, puts a fine on you and first you have to get a helmet before you may resume your ride. One time, I rode my bike for a lenght of 150 meters without a helmet for a short trip to a shop and bad luck, 2 officers appeared and had me fined. 50 USD.
behavior in traffic jams: if a jam occurs on roads with crossings (and lights) or crossings with railways a biker may snake his way through the stopped cars very slowly. When the cars begin to move, he has to form a queue with the cars again. The law says: "you may snake your way to the head of the queue if your purpose is, to take your position directly in front of the crossing"
But on motorways, freeways with no crossings at all, you are forbidden to wriggle along in front of the cars. The law says, "there can be no purpose to get to a stop light on a crossing, because there are no, so you have to hold your position in a traffic jam on a freeway or motorway."
But no biker respects this law on motorways...
drivers license
years ago, in Austria you got a drivers license for bikes from 51ccm up to nowhere. I have one of them.
Now, the licenses are categorized: you need an easy test fur the 125ccm´s, above them to 48hp another license and above them a full license. The rebel 500 needs a license for bikes until 48hp, not the full license.

Whats´s about the situation in the different states of the USA? Helmet, Behavior in traffic jams or drivers- license? Or other laws about bikers?
 

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I´m a bit courious about laws, e.g. the USA, but also in other countries.

In Austria and all other countries of the EU there are laws for
wearing a helmet: bikers have to wear always a helmet by law and it will be enforced. If you don´t, the police stops you, puts a fine on you and first you have to get a helmet before you may resume your ride. One time, I rode my bike for a lenght of 150 meters without a helmet for a short trip to a shop and bad luck, 2 officers appeared and had me fined. 50 USD.
behavior in traffic jams: if a jam occurs on roads with crossings (and lights) or crossings with railways a biker may snake his way through the stopped cars very slowly. When the cars begin to move, he has to form a queue with the cars again. The law says: "you may snake your way to the head of the queue if your purpose is, to take your position directly in front of the crossing"
But on motorways, freeways with no crossings at all, you are forbidden to wriggle along in front of the cars. The law says, "there can be no purpose to get to a stop light on a crossing, because there are no, so you have to hold your position in a traffic jam on a freeway or motorway."
But no biker respects this law on motorways...
drivers license
years ago, in Austria you got a drivers license for bikes from 51ccm up to nowhere. I have one of them.
Now, the licenses are categorized: you need an easy test fur the 125ccm´s, above them to 48hp another license and above them a full license. The rebel 500 needs a license for bikes until 48hp, not the full license.

Whats´s about the situation in the different states of the USA? Helmet, Behavior in traffic jams or drivers- license? Or other laws about bikers?
USA is a bit hard because each state has its own set of road laws. I live in Pennsylvania and my laws are as follows.


Helmet: The law is you must wear a helmet. Unless you are over 21 and have over 2 years riding experience or have passed the MSF safety course.

Traffic Jams: In my state Lane Splitting(as it is called in the USA) is illegal.

License: For 49cc and under bikes and scooters, a motorcycle license is not allowed. Anything from 50cc and up requires a license and there is only one License you don't need different qualifications based on bike size.
 

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USA is a bit hard because each state has its own set of road laws. I live in Pennsylvania and my laws are as follows.


Helmet: The law is you must wear a helmet. Unless you are over 21 and have over 2 years riding experience or have passed the MSF safety course.

Traffic Jams: In my state Lane Splitting(as it is called in the USA) is illegal.

License: For 49cc and under bikes and scooters, a motorcycle license is not allowed. Anything from 50cc and up requires a license and there is only one License you don't need different qualifications based on bike size.
Illinois:

Helmet: Not required

Otherwise traffic jams is the same. Only exception is California I believe.
License is the same throughout our country.
 

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Thank you!

I´ve found this, because you gave me the right wording "lane splitting":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lane_splitting#Legal_status

There are the states of the USA where it is legal, illegal or are not defined.

Do you mean, for bikes with 49cc a motorcycle license is not allowed or not needed? In my clumsy english I compare "not allowed" with "forbidden".
 

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Illinois:

Helmet: Not required

Otherwise traffic jams is the same. Only exception is California I believe.
License is the same throughout our country.
Actually, Illinois has a Class L license for motorcycles between 50cc and 149cc. Class M is for 150cc and up.
 

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New York: - Helmet required
- Lane splitting is not allowed
- Motorcycle license required for anything with a top speed over "30-40mph". I took
my motorcycle test on a 49cc scooter which had a top speed of about 38mph at the
time.
 

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So this Class L is nearly the same as in Austria for bikers from 50cc up to 125cc.
A lot of car drivers hold this license, because the don´t want to pass the full license for bikers, but sometimes like to drive a scooter or a small bike. This license includes only 6 hours theoretical lessons and a short training without an examen.
 

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California, helmet required.
Lane splitting, yes
License, same license for all motorcycles. There is a requirement for a safety course if you are under 21. Over 21 you can use the license course instead of a driving test.

Funny story, when I got my license in New York you were not required to have regular drivers license. That did change shortly after I got my license. When I moved to California I had never had a drivers license or even driven a car. When I went to switch my motorcycle license they told me that I could not because I needed to take a motorcycle road test. I scheduled my motorcycle road test but the DMV issued me a car drivers license. No written test or road test. Go figure.
 

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I stand corrected. Overlooked the "L" license. Never met anyone who went for the "L" instead of the "M". Same exact road test I've heard, just with a smaller machine.
My MSF instructor said they occasionally have someone bring a small 125cc scooter to take the class, because they only want the Class L.
 

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This is an interesting thread, funny how the laws differ from state to state.


In Florida, Helmet is not required. Lane-Splitting is illegal. You must have the motorcycle endorsement on your license. For a scooter/moped 50cc and up, you also need the motorcycle endorsement. For 49 cc or smaller, you don't need the motorcycle endorsement but you do need a valid drivers license and registration.



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I´ve forgotten some other laws about bikes:

In my country (and germany) tuning and moddings are very restricted.
You don´t need technical permissions for bags, sissy bars, windshields and other small mods. But some of this gadgets has to be tested and needs a document, issued from the producer and seller.
But i.g. another handlebar as defined in the documents of the bike, needs technical inspection and permission from the traffic-and-vehicle authority. So if you mount another handlebar or exhaust or do some structural tunings (engine, forks, frame and so on), you have to show up to the authority. They check and give you a written permission in your documents- or not.

Some Rebels 300/500 in the states are issued as a single seater. Do they need a permission when a pillion is installed later?
 

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I´ve forgotten some other laws about bikes:



Some Rebels 300/500 in the states are issued as a single seater. Do they need a permission when a pillion is installed later?
Nope. Mine came as a single seater and I added a pillion seat (took it off now though because of lack of ever carrying a passenger).
 

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I took
my motorcycle test on a 49cc scooter which had a top speed of about 38mph at the
time.
Converted, this is 61kmh. Very fast for a 49cc - for me. Not personally, but in my country 49cc´s speed is allowed to max. 27 mph.
Practically all 49cc drivers have tuned their vehicles illegally to 60,70 and more kmh.
 

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No written test or road test. Go figure.
Outside the USA, people "knows" about drivers licenses in the states: "you have to take a little test in a gas station, drive your vehicle along the gas station, test passed and you have your license."
Think, this is an urban legend or this was reality in pioneers times of motorisation.
From what I know, you have to pass your test every year again. Is that true?
 

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California, helmet required.
Lane splitting, yes
License, same license for all motorcycles. There is a requirement for a safety course if you are under 21. Over 21 you can use the license course instead of a driving test.

Funny story, when I got my license in New York you were not required to have regular drivers license. That did change shortly after I got my license. When I moved to California I had never had a drivers license or even driven a car. When I went to switch my motorcycle license they told me that I could not because I needed to take a motorcycle road test. I scheduled my motorcycle road test but the DMV issued me a car drivers license. No written test or road test. Go figure.


The DMV motorcycle test is a joke. Just two circles in each direction and your done...
 

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Your comment and others leads me to another question:
How much are the costs of a drivers license only for motorcycles e.g. the Rebel?

In Austria, you have to pay ca. € 1,061.00, converted to USD = $ 1,241.00. If you fail the test, it´s ca. € 150.00 more.
 

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Outside the USA, people "knows" about drivers licenses in the states: "you have to take a little test in a gas station, drive your vehicle along the gas station, test passed and you have your license."
Think, this is an urban legend or this was reality in pioneers times of motorisation.
From what I know, you have to pass your test every year again. Is that true?
Yes, the test that I took in NY was the DMV inspector followed behind in a car as I drove around the block. In California it was a left circle, right circle and a figure 8 all within lines painted on the ground.

No that is not true about testing every year. You need to renew your license every 4 years but there is no test. Just answer a couple of questions (About health) and pay the fee.
 

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Your comment and others leads me to another question:
How much are the costs of a drivers license only for motorcycles e.g. the Rebel?

In Austria, you have to pay ca. € 1,061.00, converted to USD = $ 1,241.00. If you fail the test, it´s ca. € 150.00 more.
CA is $35. But to take a training course your looking at $250 in CALI.
 
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