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So I may have broke my engine, here's the story:

I was riding home from a movie and was going pretty fast (about 65) in 4th gear. This really fun part of the road was coming up which was just light curves that anyone can turn but I have about 3 months of total experience so it's pretty neato to me. I accelerate and when I hit a little over 70mph, still in 4th gear, my engine kinda jerks back and fourth, stutters a little bit, and refuses to go faster. This doesn't alarm me because I'm pretty sure it's just the rpm limit and I have to go to a higher gear to go faster. I remember the limits from the subsequent gears (29-31 1st, 47 2nd, and 65 3rd). I didn't really know what my rpms were like going around 60 and above however because I can't hear the engine over the noise of the wind. However after I slow down and can hear my engine I hear a rattling sound coming from it. It's pretty loud and frightening to me since I absolutely love my bike and would hate have something horrible happen to it. I pulled over to check if there's anything external that might have come loose but I didn't see anything and I rode home.

So like I said, I'm pretty new to riding with only 3 months of experience. I feel pretty comfortable on my bike and I'm pretty sure I'm shifting properly and I can do what I'm doing easily but I obviously did something wrong here. I usually shift up around when the motorcycle gets not necessarily the loudest but the rpms sound the highest. Now it occurs that I might be doing something pretty stupid. Basically what I know for sure is :

My engine is probably damaged
I'm doing something wrong

The engine light isn't on and my bike didn't feel really any different after I noticed the rattling, but that doesn't necessarily mean my engine isn't damaged. I tried to schedule a time to have my dealer look at my bike right when I got home but they aren't in today (it's sunday) so I'm going to schedule an appointment right when I wake up tomorrow. For now I want to ask all of you three things:

What could be wrong with my bike?
What did I do wrong?
What can I do to fix it?
How should I change my riding style to prevent this in the future?

Also if you need me to, I could probably attach a video with the rattling sound but I don't want to turn on my bike and risk further damage if I don't have to.

Edit: Forgot to mention my bike is the Rebel 300, not the 500.
 

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So I may have broke my engine, here's the story:

I was riding home from a movie and was going pretty fast (about 65) in 4th gear. This really fun part of the road was coming up which was just light curves that anyone can turn but I have about 3 months of total experience so it's pretty neato to me. I accelerate and when I hit a little over 70mph, still in 4th gear, my engine kinda jerks back and fourth, stutters a little bit, and refuses to go faster. This doesn't alarm me because I'm pretty sure it's just the rpm limit and I have to go to a higher gear to go faster. I remember the limits from the subsequent gears (29-31 1st, 47 2nd, and 65 3rd). I didn't really know what my rpms were like going around 60 and above however because I can't hear the engine over the noise of the wind. However after I slow down and can hear my engine I hear a rattling sound coming from it. It's pretty loud and frightening to me since I absolutely love my bike and would hate have something horrible happen to it. I pulled over to check if there's anything external that might have come loose but I didn't see anything and I rode home.

So like I said, I'm pretty new to riding with only 3 months of experience. I feel pretty comfortable on my bike and I'm pretty sure I'm shifting properly and I can do what I'm doing easily but I obviously did something wrong here. I usually shift up around when the motorcycle gets not necessarily the loudest but the rpms sound the highest. Now it occurs that I might be doing something pretty stupid. Basically what I know for sure is :

My engine is probably damaged
I'm doing something wrong

The engine light isn't on and my bike didn't feel really any different after I noticed the rattling, but that doesn't necessarily mean my engine isn't damaged. I tried to schedule a time to have my dealer look at my bike right when I got home but they aren't in today (it's sunday) so I'm going to schedule an appointment right when I wake up tomorrow. For now I want to ask all of you three things:

What could be wrong with my bike?
What did I do wrong?
What can I do to fix it?
How should I change my riding style to prevent this in the future?

Also if you need me to, I could probably attach a video with the rattling sound but I don't want to turn on my bike and risk further damage if I don't have to.

Edit: Forgot to mention my bike is the Rebel 300, not the 500.

I am gonna copy a specific problem I see in your post. "(29-31 1st, 47 2nd, and 65 3rd)"


These speeds are obscenely to high for those gears. And I don't mean just a little.
 

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Oh ****, really? Alright, when should I be shifting?

Edit: I searched on google and found a post by you, I should really be shifting that low? I mean I realized that this bike is pretty small, but ****. Well at least I'm learning this now instead of later. Also I looked back in the manual because someone on the post said that it's in the manual and I found it. Sorry for wasting your time and being a moron. Is there anything else I could be doing wrong too?
 

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Oh ****, really? Alright, when should I be shifting?
I believe it is in the manual as follows.

1st to 2nd- 12mph (20km/h)
2nd to 3rd- 19mph (30km/h)
3rd to 4th- 25mph (40km/h)
4th to 5th- 31mph (50km/h)
5th to 6th- 37mph (60km/h)

Yes you can go slightly over these. But yours are way over them.
 

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So, I shouldn't be driving on any roads that go 50+ mph? I wan't to get a bigger bike (500cc) because my bike is my only mode of transportation but now that it seems I obviously can't handle shifting properly, I wonder if I should even consider getting a bigger bike. This kinda just breaks any plan I have to get anywhere since most of the roads are 45+ and most of the people drive 10-15 mph faster than the speed limit and will dangerously overtake you if you go any slower.
 

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So, I shouldn't be driving on any roads that go 50+ mph? I wan't to get a bigger bike (500cc) because my bike is my only mode of transportation but now that it seems I obviously can't handle shifting properly, I wonder if I should even consider getting a bigger bike. This kinda just breaks any plan I have to get anywhere since most of the roads are 45+ and most of the people drive 10-15 mph faster than the speed limit and will dangerously overtake you if you go any slower.
bike will be fine cruising at 65
 

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The bike can handle speeds over those in the book. But they are a reference point on where to shift to get the best gas milage and put the least amount of stress on the engine. The 300 can do 70mph without a problem. But you should be in a min of 5th and more likely 6th gear at that speed.
 

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The bike can handle speeds over those in the book. But they are a reference point on where to shift to get the best gas milage and put the least amount of stress on the engine. The 300 can do 70mph without a problem. But you should be in a min of 5th and more likely 6th gear at that speed.
I saw your post on shift points and you asked people what they do and one of the people said they shift 1>2nd at 20mph, 2>3 at 30mph, 3>4 at 40mph and so on. Do you think that would be acceptable? I like that idea since it’s easy to memorize and I can still commute on my usual roads.
 

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I saw your post on shift points and you asked people what they do and one of the people said they shift 1>2nd at 20mph, 2>3 at 30mph, 3>4 at 40mph and so on. Do you think that would be acceptable? I like that idea since it’s easy to memorize and I can still commute on my usual roads.
I think everyone in that thread had the 500.
Those shift points should be fine, maybe slightly high. But if you are trying to get good acceleration they should work fine without causing any damage.
 

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I think everyone in that thread had the 500.
Those shift points should be fine, maybe slightly high. But if you are trying to get good acceleration they should work fine without causing any damage.
Okay, glad I could figure this out. Thanks for the help, you probably saved me tons of pain in the future. I’ll be sure to be more wary in shift points in the future. I just thought you were supposed to shift when you couldn’t go any faster in your current gear. Obviously I was wrong.
 

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Like others have said, the manual gives you shift points, and like they have said, they are open to interpretation, and probably put in place by lawyers and engineers for fuel consumption and engine life.

However, gears can be stretched out so that you maximize their power band so you can have the most power for a situation, so gearing and relative speeds are like a flexible continuum.

However, wringing a gear out until the rev limiter each time isn’t good for the engine, that’s not even a debate.

You shift when the engine just sounds and feels right, like it’s almost asking you to shift. It takes practice, and you become one with your machine. Don’t be intimated, it takes time. It’s a relationship.

Have you had any formal training in riding motorcycles? I feel like it’s great for everyone, and they would cover topics like this in most courses.
 

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I remember the limits from the subsequent gears (29-31 1st, 47 2nd, and 65 3rd)
Don't want to be rude and repeat what everyone already said but where did you get those numbers? What does your manual say? I have the 500 so not sure if shift points are much different on the 300.

Also how did you break-in the engine?
 

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I really hope this is a joke, I mean just look at his name. What could he do differently? If this isn't a joke...get rid of the bike and start walking because you're going to hurt yourself or someone else.
 

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I really hope this is a joke, I mean just look at his name. What could he do differently? If this isn't a joke...get rid of the bike and start walking because you're going to hurt yourself or someone else.
Yeah. How do even shift smoothly at those RPMs, unless he gets around town using only first gear lol.
 

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i'm not being rude when i ask this but : Where would you ever get an idea like that?
that's probably the fastest way to damage an engine-motorcycle OR car regardless.
I didn't exactly do it when it hit the rev limiter, what I did was memorize how fast it took before that bike couldn't go faster in that gear and I shifted like around 5 mph lower than that. For some reason when I did it, it sounded right on the engine when you changed gears. Sometimes I'd shift to higher gears and going maybe 15 miles under the rev limit and the engine gets really quiet and I'm afraid that I might stall if I go any slower.

Like others have said, the manual gives you shift points, and like they have said, they are open to interpretation, and probably put in place by lawyers and engineers for fuel consumption and engine life.

However, gears can be stretched out so that you maximize their power band so you can have the most power for a situation, so gearing and relative speeds are like a flexible continuum.

However, wringing a gear out until the rev limiter each time isn’t good for the engine, that’s not even a debate.

You shift when the engine just sounds and feels right, like it’s almost asking you to shift. It takes practice, and you become one with your machine. Don’t be intimated, it takes time. It’s a relationship.

Have you had any formal training in riding motorcycles? I feel like it’s great for everyone, and they would cover topics like this in most courses.
Yeah, I took the motorcycle safety course over here where I'm at. I remember a lot of the defensive driving and road safety as well as the key points on stuff like look more lean more and look where you want to go. I think I have turning down pretty well, I take great care not to lock up my breaks and such. However I don't remember a lot about what they said about other things like breaking in an engine, correct down shifting, etc. However the course had one day of all classroom and 2 days of on bike training and those 2 days were the first 2 days on a bike so I was pretty focused on getting comfortable, building confidence, and trying to work out how to operate the bike. Most of the other guys rode dirt bikes before they took the course or had some sort of previous experience. It was a beginners course though. There's a lot I don't know in the sense that I didn't even know it was a thing. I try to search up questions when I can and learn what I can, sometimes I do get mixed information however and I don't personally know anyone else who rides. I'm on my own here for a lot of it.

Don't want to be rude and repeat what everyone already said but where did you get those numbers? What does your manual say? I have the 500 so not sure if shift points are much different on the 300.

Also how did you break-in the engine?
I did read the manual but I guess I missed that part because I'm too stupid to read. I didn't really know that you necessarily had to break-in an engine because I don't really know a whole lot about engines. After my college semester ends I'm going to take an entry level automotive class to learn more about this stuff. It's on cars and they don't teach any classes about motorcycles and I could still learn some stuff.

I really hope this is a joke, I mean just look at his name. What could he do differently? If this isn't a joke...get rid of the bike and start walking because you're going to hurt yourself or someone else.
No it's not a joke, I didn't mean to be dangerous on the road and I'm sorry. I'm left alone to try and figure all this out. I refuse to give up however because riding makes me pretty happy and it would a helluva lot to make me willingly give it up. Also my username is nothing but a name. I thought it was pretty clever actually because it sounds like one thing but it kinda means riding is always on my mind. Which it is.

I should probably mention that I got a motorcycle instead of my first car so maybe that's why I don't know a lot about vehicle operation. Sorry that my ignorance is probably annoying and angering to you guys. I'm really trying here, like really hard.
 

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I did read the manual but I guess I missed that part because I'm too stupid to read. I didn't really know that you necessarily had to break-in an engine because I don't really know a whole lot about engines. After my college semester ends I'm going to take an entry level automotive class to learn more about this stuff. It's on cars and they don't teach any classes about motorcycles and I could still learn some stuff.

No it's not a joke, I didn't mean to be dangerous on the road and I'm sorry. I'm left alone to try and figure all this out. I refuse to give up however because riding makes me pretty happy and it would a helluva lot to make me willingly give it up. Also my username is nothing but a name. I thought it was pretty clever actually because it sounds like one thing but it kinda means riding is always on my mind. Which it is.

I should probably mention that I got a motorcycle instead of my first car so maybe that's why I don't know a lot about vehicle operation. Sorry that my ignorance is probably annoying and angering to you guys. I'm really trying here, like really hard.
Nobody said you were stupid. After all you bought a new bike, got the right gear I hope, and all the docs and insurance in place so that shows some effort on your part. But it sounds like you were pulling our legs to go through all that trouble and yet somehow didn't read up on what to do as a beginner motorcyclist. Doesn't matter if you don't know people who ride, the internet is literally at your fingertips. This is my first bike too, but I youtube 'how to care for a motorcycle' and just did my first chain clean and lube.

You don't need to take an automotive class man. Just research as you go and learn from the bike, listen to your gut, if something doesn't sound or feel right look into it. Hope the bike turns out ok after checking with the dealer, and congrats dude.
 

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Listen, I didn’t think that you were stupid, I thought you were trolling. As a matter of fact, I still think you’re trolling. How can you go through the motorcycle safety course and not know how to shift after you get your license? If what you’re saying is true, it’s time to go back to the beginner rider course.
 

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Listen, I didn’t think that you were stupid, I thought you were trolling. As a matter of fact, I still think you’re trolling. How can you go through the motorcycle safety course and not know how to shift after you get your license? If what you’re saying is true, it’s time to go back to the beginner rider course.
I’m not trolling, the fact that you say that you still think I am probably means I must look pretty stupid to everyone. I don’t have my liscence yet, I have my permit and I only have three months of experience. Trying to remember back to the course is hectic because so much was going on at once because the course was pretty fast paced and I was very new to it. No previous experience even sitting on a motorcycle. I don’t remember them saying exactly when we should shift. The hisghest gear we shifted to was second as we were practicing in an empty lot. I remember doing these drills where we’d go in a straight line, do a turn to turn around and then ride in another straight line. In the straight line they’d have you shift up to second then shift down into first. Then turn. They didn’t really specify when you should shift so I just did it right when I straightened out like everyone else. The only time I remember them saying when you should shift is when you’re fast enough. It’s possible that I might not have heard a specific time when you should shift, but I’m not someone who’d not listen. I know motorcycles are very dangerous and I’m taking this seriously. I just need a little help I guess. I mean I could’ve not posted and asked for questions and kept doing what I’m doing, but I did because I’m willing to learn.

Edit: Also I was planning on going back to the beginners course over the summer anyway because since I’m more comfortable on a motorcycle, I’d probably pick up on a lot more.
 
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