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Dealer has no filters or any info. Anyone know of another filter that will work? Anyone know of a dealer who has them in stock?
 

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Can't see why they would change it from the CBR500r. That would complicate things for no reason.

Any reason why you're looking into those already?
 

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Can't see why they would change it from the CBR500r. That would complicate things for no reason.

Any reason why you're looking into those already?
Probably break-in changes. I had filters and such before I picked up the bike and did my first oil change the day I got it. I took a back road home and it went up and down the first 3 gears to help get the rings seated (i.e., lots of compression braking). Then I did another 40 miles with compression braking in the top 3 gears on the freeway and then changed the oil at ~83 total miles. A new filter was installed. Modern engines don't shed much stuff, but you do get a bit from the transmission.
 

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Around 83 miles is very different from what I've heard :O I'm a new rider so I really don't have any idea. I heard some guys going as high as 800 miles or so?
 

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So I've seen many different break in rituals from many different people since joining this (and the other) forum...

What does the manual actually say to do, and what's the harm in simply following that?
 

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The manual will probably say 600 miles. The term "ritual" is a great way to put it. Some founded in science, some in.... I read something awhile back about running your motor has hard as you possibly can for the first 300 miles and it will be the best motor ever. And he seemed to have his proponents.
 

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So I've seen many different break in rituals from many different people since joining this (and the other) forum...

What does the manual actually say to do, and what's the harm in simply following that?
Follow the Manual if you want your warranty to be honored.
 

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Yeh it was for break in. I usually change oil right away, do 100 then change oil filter. Parts guy couldn't say whether it fit another bike because he had no part number for our filter. Hopefully he'll be up on it by Monday. I do engine braking break-in also.
 

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Follow the Manual if you want your warranty to be honored.
They would have to prove that you didn't to deny a warranty claim.

My personal thinking for these modern engines is to use them but dont abuse them during break-in. It has worked for me so far. Some suggest giving a bit of a thrashing but not too hard and for sure not for too long. They claim this helps everything seat in fully. I do like the idea of changing the oil a few times during break-in. It is cheap insurance! A guy on the Burgman forum who is an engineer says unless the engine is designed for full synthetic oil to not switch until the engine is well used, 5k miles or more. Can't remember his exact reasoning but it was based in science and not just an opinion.
 

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They would have to prove that you didn't to deny a warranty claim.

My personal thinking for these modern engines is to use them but dont abuse them during break-in. It has worked for me so far. Some suggest giving a bit of a thrashing but not too hard and for sure not for too long. They claim this helps everything seat in fully. I do like the idea of changing the oil a few times during break-in. It is cheap insurance! A guy on the Burgman forum who is an engineer says unless the engine is designed for full synthetic oil to not switch until the engine is well used, 5k miles or more. Can't remember his exact reasoning but it was based in science and not just an opinion.
They don't have to "Prove" andything. They just have to say nah you didn't do it right.
 

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Parts are starting to dribble in. According to motosports.com these are the K&N #s as an exact-fit.

KN-204 Black
KN-204C Chrome
 

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They don't have to "Prove" andything. They just have to say nah you didn't do it right.
That is what I used to think too BUT there is a law covering warranties{sometimes the government gets things right}. It is known as the Magnuson-Moss Act. One thing it does to protect consumers is that it requires the company who issued the warranty to prove that the consumer did not use the product correctly! Otherwise they would just say "you did something wrong" so they wouldn't have to fix it. Now you might have to take them to court but the law is on your side. It also works for aftermarket parts , they have to prove that said part caused an issue. So the thing you hear of "don't put this part on your bike because it will void your warranty" isn't totally true.
 

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That is what I used to think too BUT there is a law covering warranties{sometimes the government gets things right}. It is known as the Magnuson-Moss Act. One thing it does to protect consumers is that it requires the company who issued the warranty to prove that the consumer did not use the product correctly! Otherwise they would just say "you did something wrong" so they wouldn't have to fix it. Now you might have to take them to court but the law is on your side. It also works for aftermarket parts , they have to prove that said part caused an issue. So the thing you hear of "don't put this part on your bike because it will void your warranty" isn't totally true.
I am just going by owning other bikes and atvs and on their forums people are constantly told they did something wrong without any proof. It happens all the time.
 

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Manual says 600 miles or so, I believe. I am going to do as Honda says, they made the bike - so will leave it at that. Came with a chart with all the instructions / when to do things - etc.

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I wasn't questioning going beyond the manufacturer's requirements... it was more a question of why some choose to change their oil immediately... then again within a hundred miles or so... some having 3 or 4 oil changes by the time one is actually due.
 

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I wasn't questioning going beyond the manufacturer's requirements... it was more a question of why some choose to change their oil immediately... then again within a hundred miles or so... some having 3 or 4 oil changes by the time one is actually due.
In the past engines would end up with much more metal shavings in such when new. So people got use to changing oil several times, but it really isn't anywhere near that now. Even at the 600 mile mark when you do the change there will likely be almost nothing in the oil. I know some other bikes actually use to come with some crappy oil in them when new, so people would just get use to changing it once they got the bike so they could just keep using an oil they know.

But most of that is all just myth stuff now and people are use to doing things the way they did in the past or were told to do so by someone who did in the past.
So its mainly out of past habbit.
 

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In the past engines would end up with much more metal shavings in such when new. So people got use to changing oil several times, but it really isn't anywhere near that now. Even at the 600 mile mark when you do the change there will likely be almost nothing in the oil. I know some other bikes actually use to come with some crappy oil in them when new, so people would just get use to changing it once they got the bike so they could just keep using an oil they know.But most of that is all just myth stuff now and people are use to doing things the way they did in the past or were told to do so by someone who did in the past.So its mainly out of past habbit.
Maybe myth, maybe not. I like to get to know my bike right away so the few $ and the little time invested in changing the oil is worth it to me. For sure it won't be hurting the bike and it will let me learn something.
 
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